27GB Maxtor Ultra DMA drives

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bcrabtree
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We received a release today about Maxtor's forthcoming 27GB 7200 rpm Ultra DMA drive, so rang around to try to find out the street price.

The price from Dabs Direct (£234 inc, as I recall), turned out to be for a different, 5400rpm, 27GB Maxtor. I've forgotten what price the 7200 was, but, frankly, I think I'd settle for a brace of them thar 5400rpm models!

Bob C

David
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It comes to something when my 2 week old "cutting edge" IBM 25gb has already not only been relegated from it's #1 slot - but undercut by £2 by an 8% bigger drive from the same supplier

D

Dave
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Look on the bottom of your drive, I think you'll find a 'Best before July 99' sticker

drsolly
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I just bought a pair of IBM 25s from
DABS, for £217. Looks like I missed out here?

So I checked the DABS web site. The bad news
is that you get 27 gb for £208. The good
news is "New, no due date". So, if I'd waited a few weeks, I'd get 8% more space for
4% less cost. But I need it now, not
in the fall.

I also bought a Promise Fastrak to raid them,
I got that from Insight, for somewhat less than DABS.

This is all part of the big project this month, to upgrade my network. If you thought
that getting a DV workstation operational was tough, you try networking a mixture of Win 3, Win 95(a), Win 95 (b), Win 98, Win NT 3.51, Win NT 4 and Linux machines, where part of the network is 10 mbps and part is 100. And at no time can I be completely without computing power ...

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Johnc
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I have a Maxtor 17.2 Gb HD. I make S-VHS movies of up to 1 hour (the longest yet, and probably the longest I'll ever make). Are the owners of these HUGE drives making Hollywood epics? Are they for the male power thing? I'm obviously missing the point, but why do we need such HUGE drives for home editing? Are they being produced for some non-video professional purpose (pros presumably use SCSI for video)?

bcrabtree
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Johnc,

The technical term for it is, "willy -waving".

;)

However, it is genuinely true that, in video editing, you can never have too much disk space. In addition, you will probably not realise that DV comes in at a fixed rate of 3.6MB/sec, and that 2GB of DV footage provides only 9min 26secs of recording.

A middling size project, say one that is due to last for an hour - may include five or 15times that amount of original footage.

Do the sums yourself, a drive of the size you have simply isn't big enough. What is needed are a number of drives of a big a capacity as possible - and 25GB and 27GB drives are more like the sorts of sizes we need.

Bob C

David
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Why do I need so much space? Simple - before I get rid of my Hi8 camcorder, I want to get my Hi8 tapes edited down without all the crap and written back to DV.

OK - so that still don't explain my need - until I tell you I have about 120 Hi8 tapes randomly covering about 6 of my main interests - so basically I want to get as much from tape to hard-disk - then separate by interest and cut out the crap before I write it back to DV for later proper editing.

Yeh - I know - the har-disk is the cheap bit - about 30 MiniDV tapes is more expensive - and yes - I've thought about just buying 4 more 25gb drives for the same price and keeping everything there for a while

D

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drsolly
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If you want to store a load of Hi8 on hard disk ...

I simply cannot resist making this suggestion. If you buy a pair of 25gb drives, that's £430. And you can capture out to those, chop out the crap, and then back
up what is left to tape.

There's a tape drive from Onstream, 25/50
gb costing £450. The tapes are £28. You'll get at least 25 gb on the tape, 50gb if your
data is compressible (and I think it will be). 25 gb is, what, 2 or 3 hours of video? 50 gb is 4 or 6?

So, you should think about using tape to store your tapes; 25 gb of tape is *always*
cheaper than 25 gb of disk.

:)

And as for why do I need so much hard disk for video editing? Maybe you finish one project before you start the next. But with twice the hard disk, you have the option of
putting a project on hold while you do something more urgent that came along.

And if you decide you're going to open up your box to install a new drive for £230, it's a minor extra effort to put in two,
it's not a lot more in cost, and compared with going back a year from now and doing the upgrade - no contest. Hardware is cheap, your time is valuable. I always go for overkill.

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chris thomas
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I'm considering getting the Maxtor 27.2Gb UDMA66 disk. Dabs are doing it for £244.40 (inc vat), which is just about what Insight are doing it for, where I bought my second 10.8Gb UDMA33 Maxtor from.

Can I use the UDMA66 drive in my PC without forking out for a Promise controller? If I can get a favourable answer today I'll order it!

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Chris Thomas.
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Alan Roberts at work
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Yes, a UDMA66 drive will work perfectly happily at 33. I installed an IBM25G a couple of months ago (it's a 66) and it works very nicely thank you, it reports data rates of around 19MB/s in capture, way above what I need for DV. And no need for Fasttrack.

Hope that helps.

chris thomas
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Cheers Alan! I'll send you an invoice if it doesn't work!

27.2Gb of Maxtor diskage, ordered from dabs.com for £244.40 inc vat, no delivery charge (taking 2-3 working days), and just beating Insight by £2.44.

Oh, and Insight don't have any in stock, Dabs have got 129 of them!

Happy, happy, joy, joy!

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Chris Thomas.
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ps. Just rereading the thread, and Bob's initial post. I've just ordered the 5400rpm model, not the 7200 one, but from what I've read here, I don't think I'm going to worry. My 10.2Gb Maxtor runs at 5400rpm, and it RaptorTests to 12Mb/s Read/Write.

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pps. I can't -find- then 7200rpm one!

[This message has been edited by chris thomas (edited 23 July 1999).]

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chris thomas
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Finally, (after Dabs losing my delivery address, and then sending it to my home address) 5 days after ordering a £244 27Gb Maxtor hard disk, it arrives! It took about 30mins to install, and that includes the 25mins it took to format it! The performance is better than my other two 10Gb Maxtors, with a raptest reading of 17Mb/s read and 12Mb/s write, plus the final test of actually capturing some footage and playing back to tape went with out a hitch.

I went to sleep happy!

Morning dawns, and the new issue of CV is waiting to be read. And what do I discover in the news section? To my dismay an IBM 37Gb Deskstar soon to be available. My only hope is that it's whoppingly overpriced, so I don't feel too cheated!

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Alan Roberts at work
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Phew, so you won't be sending me an invoice then?

chris thomas
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