80 GB upgrade - Advice request

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Roy Esmonde
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Hello,

I'm about to get a new 80 GB Maxtor hard disk. I'm planning to install it in a fairly old system based on a Supermicro P6DBE

motherboard with a recent AMI BIOS rev. 3.0 and Windows 2000 Pro. The motherboard has a 33 MB/s IDE bus and the new drive is

133 (but backwards compatible, I believe). Just wondering if anybody who's done this before has any advice to offer. For example,

can I use my existing ATA 33 IDE cables? I'm planning to make it the secondary master drive, continuing to use my 20 GB primary

master as boot drive. Is it true that if I put an older Maxtor HD or a CD-Writer on the secondary of the 80 GB Maxtor channel that it

will limit the data transfer rate to that of the secondary device?

Thanks,

Roy Esmonde

gordo
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Joined: Dec 19 2001

You should find that the drive will work, but you will be severly throttling the performance.

If you can, you'd be better of spending 15quid on ata100/133 interface card and running the new drive of that.

Check out www.ebuyer.com or www.dabs.com for the card.

Gordo

Roy Esmonde
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Thanks Gordo for that advice.

Raymondo
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I am about to do the same thing. I have also bought a new 80GB Maxtor and am going to install it into my existing RT2000/ Win 2k/Prem 6.01 system.

I already have a 15GB Boot drive and 20GB Video drive and I would welcome any suggestions as to how I should set the system up for maximum efficiency (i.e. master/slave drive etc. or using the controller card.

What kind of performance increase could you expect from installing the aforementioned ata 100/133 controller card? and how easy is it to install the card?

I have also heard that assigning one drive for audio and one for video helps increase performance. Is this true?

I would appreciate any info.
(sorry for butting into your thread Roy !)

thanks
Ray

gordo
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Joined: Dec 19 2001

Hi Ray,

I'm sorry but I don't have any empiracle data on the increase you'd expect from installing the controller etc. But if you have a look at www.storagereview.com they may have some info.

You will definetely get increased performance if your motherboard has anything less than at ata 66 controller.

As far as installing the card, essentially all you need to do is take off the cover, remove the blanking plate and then install the card. Then you install the new drive and connect the card. Obviously there are screws involved here and there, but essentially that's about it.

Depending on your operating system, you shouldn't even need to load any drivers.

Haven't heard the dedicated audio video drives recommendation. But it would depend on how you work

If your just playing with DV footage then most of the time the audio will be integrated into the video file so seperating isn't that easy. If however you did have seperate files (eg making a DVD) then the advantage you get is that each drive can focus on doing one thing (reading audio or video) which is always a good thing.

Gordo

Unicorn
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Joined: Apr 12 1999

Well, I have an ATA100 5400rpm 80GB Maxtor drive on a BX chipset at ATA33 and AFAIR it gets 28MB/second read and 22MB/second write. I'd be interested to know whether anyone gets significantly better numbers using it on an ATA100 or 133 card.

P4-3.06/2GB RAM/2500GB IDE/SATA. Avid Media Composer, Liquid Edition, Premiere 6, Lightwave, Vue 6, eyeon Fusion 5. DV and HDV editing/compositing.

Roy Esmonde
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Joined: May 20 2001

Thanks to all who replied.

I installed the Maxtor 80 GB today and it seems to work fine. Had some slight problems with Win2K at first (probably finger problems) which left me with a Dynamic Drive but I quickly reverted to a basic drive and partitioned into 40 GB and 39 GB. Unfortunately in real terms that translates into less disk space (I presume something to do with the 1000 K versus 1024 K measurements).

One thing that does puzzle me though is that both empty partitions show around 65 MB USED! This is just after formatting and without transferring any files to the partitions. Anyone able to explain this gobbling up of space?

I did a quick check of Read/Write speeds on my ATA 33 motherboard using Matrox's DiguSuite utility and I think they came in around the 20 to 25 MB/s. This is okay for now but I'll eventually set this drive up in a 100 ATA RAID.

GarethMoore
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Joined: Oct 8 2000

The 65MB is used by the filing system, so I don't think you should worry about that. For what it's worth, with an IBM 80GB 7200rpm drive on an ATA100 bus I get average 34MB/sec write and 35MB/sec read. The disc isn't empty either. (My 70% full 60GB Maxtor ATA100 drive is currently showing 26MB/sec write and 27MB/sec read, whilst my system 40GB Seagate ATA100 drive is giving 36MB/sec write and 36MB/sec read. Meanwhile a 28GB drive on a ATA66 connector is producing 26MB/sec wrute and 27MB/sec read).

Gareth

Roy Esmonde
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Thanks Gareth,

I hope to change to ATA 100 shortly so I look forward to that kind of performance.