Canon, Red, and November 3rd

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infocus
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Well, I posted in another thread that Canon are due to make an announcement on November 3rd, and it now looks as if there's going to be another!

[url]http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?63672-Scarlet-(and-shipping)-announcement-Nov.-3rd[/url]...

Directly from Jim Jannard -
"Everything you ever wanted to hear from RED regarding Scarlet will be announced Nov. 3rd at 6pm right here.

Jim "

I think quite a lot of people had pretty much given up on Scarlet, but that, coming direct from Jim, seems pretty unequivocal. There seems to be a lot of speculation going on about this as well as the Canon announcement, and it's probably now most likely (if not certain!) that we're now going to see not one but two new large format video cameras being announced in a few weeks.

Big question may be whether they are more likely to rival the F3 in terms of price/features etc or the AF100/FS100.

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Co-incidence or conspiracy that the two announcements are due on the same day?

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infocus
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I don't normally believe in conspiracies, but in this case......... :)

It seems that Canon made the announcement of an announcement first, then Red responded with the statement from Jim Jannard I linked to. I can only assume they were nearly ready to ship, saw the Canon announcement and decided that was to be the day?

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infocus wrote:
It seems that Canon made the announcement of an announcement first, then Red responded with the statement from Jim Jannard I linked to. I can only assume they were nearly ready to ship, saw the Canon announcement and decided that was to be the day?

In the thread about the Canon announcement, Simon Wyndham raised the question "Or two firms and one announcement ;)" Looking through the Red forum, a Red/Canon collaboration is a possibility that's been raised a few times, and whilst never confirmed, doesn't seem to have been directly denied.

It's an interesting thought. Maybe just too good to be true, but it may make sense. Red may find the distribution network of Canon useful. Canon may want to be allied to the users of Red. They've both expressed an interest in 4k, and maybe collaborating together - and against other manufacturers - makes business sense? What about a scenario where a camera has a 4k chip, and the ability to record direct 1080p (with the XDCAM422 codec, as the XF300) but also 4k RAW?

I said earlier that I don't normally believe in conspiracies, but whilst the Canon pre-announcement is intriguing, the Red announcement more so, it seems to get stranger and stranger. There are now reports of Jim Jannards e-mails having been hacked into, one person already heading for jail, and the prospect of serious legal action. See http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?63753-Michael-Bravin-Arrested!

It looks as if only the tip of the iceberg has so far come to light, but Jim Jannard has so far publicly stated the following in that thread:

Jim Jannard wrote:
My attorney informed me that my personal emails were apparently hacked. Unfortunately, this will get messy. Not what anyone would vote for. Certainly not me.
Jim Jannard wrote:
The more I know... the more sad I get. "Significant" does not begin to describe the facts. I am heartbroken.

Try not to speculate... the situation will unfold soon enough. I really wish we could turn a blind eye to this... ugh.

Jim Jannard wrote:
This situation hits me hard on many levels...

One of the companies I held in the highest esteem now has left me shattered.

The magnitude of the betrayal is really hard to comprehend.

The situation forces a reaction that I never would have considered a possibility.

I am devastated. Given the facts, it is not likely I will sleep for a month.

Jim Jannard wrote:
I am slowly turning from sad to wicked pissed off. The level of breach is truly unprecedented in this industry. There is a certain expectation of professional (and legal) boundaries. Apparently, these lines have been crossed, with full intent, for an unfair business advantage of epic proportions.

There are several companies involved (victims). We are not alone. I would not expect this situation to disappear into the night. Not on my watch.

Jim Jannard wrote:
After spending another 10 minutes on the phone with my attorney... this is just about as bad as anyone could ever imagine.

This is the stuff movies are made of... really hard to believe.

I wait to see where all this leads.........

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Certainly looks interesting. Though I have one question. How on earth can email be 'hacked'? I know it is a term that is bandied about a lot, but has anyone considered the real possibility of it? I'm smelling something.

Stolen cameras, twice. Now hacked emails. Mmmmm.

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SimonMW wrote:
Though I have one question. How on earth can email be 'hacked'?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/industry-vet-michael-bravin-pleads-guilty-to-hacking-rival-band-pro-while-with-arri/

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Bravin, who moved to ARRI as VP market development in 2010, pleaded guilty to using the name and password of CEO and president Amnon Band to access files used in interstate commerce. Emails from several industry firms were accessed during the hacking, including those of Red Digital Cinema founder Jim Jannard. The hacking occurred between December 2009 and June 2010.

Other reports say he got to know his boss's password whilst an employee of BandPro, then used it to access his account after he'd left the company. The assumption seems to be that the Jim Jannard connection is that he read (on his ex-boss's account, and without his knowledge) exchanges between the two.

But Jim's language is interesting - "The level of breach is truly unprecedented in this industry. ..... Apparently, these lines have been crossed, with full intent, for an unfair business advantage of epic proportions.

...................

After spending another 10 minutes on the phone with my attorney... this is just about as bad as anyone could ever imagine."

Does he know a lot more than is in the public domain?

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SimonMW wrote:
Certainly looks interesting. Though I have one question. How on earth can email be 'hacked'?

Here's an easy example: your company runs MS Exchange server. You have external access via the Outlook Webmail interface. You know the login/password of the server admin. Log in as that person and you can see all the emails of all the people on the Exchange server. The "hacker" can find out the admin's login through a variety of methods, and if the "hacker" can't capture the password at the same time, there's always brute force.

Industrial espionage in this connected age is, I think, much easier than it ever was. If the Chinese can get access to the files of the UN and various governments around the world, then a well rewarded hacker can probably bypass all but the very very best secure systems.

I imagine that industrial espionage is rife via companies hacking into each other's computer systems. There was a recent discussion about Gary Natresses' chinese eBay bargain microphones. One poster commented on how the idea of intellectual copyright simply didn't exist in China. Maybe it's the same thing: there's a culture that says there's nothing wrong with trying to gain a competitive advantage any way you can.

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SimonMW wrote:
Certainly looks interesting. Though I have one question. How on earth can email be 'hacked'? I know it is a term that is bandied about a lot, but has anyone considered the real possibility of it? I'm smelling something.

Very easily -- several Google mail accounts were hacked by a dodgy Flash game placed on the web, which installed a trojan that nabbed their username and password. Google took this so seriously that their staff are not allowed to run Windows any more...

Steve