"locked-off" camera security

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cstv
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i've been asked to video a band performing at guildford festival this weekend, and would love to make it a multicamera shoot - that way i wont have to be quite so "creative" with the editing...

i can get hold of cameras fairly easily and cheaply, but crew are the problem, in that i don't have any!

the solution would seem to be to get at least one other camera and have it locked-off on a tripod somewhere as a safety shot. i'm a bit worried about it getting nicked though! i suppose the safest place would be either on stage, of with the sound engineers, but a dv camera on a tripod is still a bit nickable... i was thinking about chaining the camera up some how, but what do you attach a chain to on a dv camcorder? the other option i though of was to lock it inside some sort of box (obviously with an opening at the front, that would at least make it's presence less obvious... does anything like this exist on the market, or would i have to bodge something together?

tia,
mark.

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depending upon camera used there are a couple of ways of slowing down the 'removal'.

we have bonding wires for our lighting rigs , a 3 mm width wire with a loop and a hook system.(arri lighting)putting that round a tripod leg and up to a metal camera strap mounting point would secure the camera to tripod and require two hands and time to remove the wire before unmounting camera from tripod.

one other piece of equipment we use ( but for securing computers) is a steel wire , 7mm in diameter that passes thru metal plates with hoops and a padlock at one end.
cable approx 1metre in length.
you superglue the plates to the pieces you want to hold together then pass the cable thru the loops and padloc the last one to the loop in the end of the cable.
i use them to secure tv's / videos to transport trolleys , and even on week plastic tv surrounds , they bond solid and don't come loose without a crowbar.

i'll see if i can find the name of the manufacturer on monday at work.

Gary MacKenzie

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cstv
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sounds promising... unfortunately i don't think the owner of the camera i intend to borrow would be too pleased if i superglued metal loops to his camera though...

wire through the strap mounts is feasible, but there's limits to what you can fit through there.

like you say, anything that can either act as a deterant, or slow down the theft has to be a good thing...

cheers,
mark.

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just did a little lateral thinking.

you can create a security cable of any length using tie clips.(as used by the troops in iraq at the moment)
instead of using one , chain as many as needed nose to tail to create a cable they will need to cut , and one you can tighten to whatever length you need.
they will also fit thru camera strap mounting point without any problems.

Gary MacKenzie

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cstv
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that's a cunning plan Gary... and cheap enough that lots can e used to create a type of mesh that would need to be cut in several places to release the camera...

anyone got any ideas of a cheap supplier of these?

mark.

P Gibbs
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quote:Originally posted by cstv:
... unfortunately i don't think the owner of the camera i intend to borrow would be too pleased if i superglued metal loops to his camera though...

Mark,

I know I'm being a party pooper, but you are taking out replacement insurance for this camcorder aren't you. Its one thing to have company equipment nicked, but another to go to a friend and say 'by the way fred, your camcorder, thanks for leading it, but it got nicked, trashed, broken, ripped apart.'

Could you hire a camera for this postion?

Peter

cstv
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that's exactly my problem Peter... in fact it's worse, i'd be borrowing the cam from work!

i looked at hiring a camera - roughly £75 for a vx2000 for the day. very reasonable, but still slightly out of my budget

but i'm assuming that insurance would be void if the camera was unatended in a public area...?

P Gibbs
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Mark,

This company had an advert in a video editing mag a while ago. Can't remember which. Just cut the ad out.

The ad details are below.

Hope doing this is OK BOB, I have no connection with them at all apart from I intend to use them myself, but have miss-placed the form they sent me.
*******************************************
Premiums from £26.35 (depends on eqp. value)
All risks Cover
New for old basis of settlement

* gold cover extras:
business or professional use
theft from unoccupied vehicles

AUA INSURANCE
De Vere House
90 St.Faiths Lane
NORWICH
NR1 NL
tel:01603 628034
fax:01603 761384
e-mail: info@cedarinsurance.com
******************************************
This may or may not help you Mark, hope it does.

Peter

Bruce
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Why not just pay someone £25 to stand by it for the night. Just a thought.

P Gibbs
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Sorry Mark,

Have just re-read your post and seen 'this weekend'. So a fat lot of help my posting was. Hope it all went ok.

Peter

cstv
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no problem Peter. i've actually considered taking out a policy with AUA before, but after reading through the sales literature they sent me it turns out my camera wouldn't receive any more cover than it does under my home contents insurance - in fact it would've been convered less!

Might end up doing that Bruce... i could offer to pay someone's ticket price for them (£30). the band are paying mine, so i suppose i could afford to drag my someone with me - the set's only about 30mins long.

The other option is to have a camera on the stage - working on the basis that anything that happens on the stage i'll either see with my own eyes or get on camera... i still like Gary's tie clip idea if i was leaving the cam on the stage though...

cheers,
mark.

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quote:Originally posted by cstv:
that's a cunning plan Gary... and cheap enough that lots can e used to create a type of mesh that would need to be cut in several places to release the camera...

anyone got any ideas of a cheap supplier of these?

mark.

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i'll ask at work tomorrow where out last batch were bought.

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Barry Hunter
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"Cable Ties" to give them the correct name, are used extensivly in the motor trade (I should know as I`ve spent the last 40+ years as part of it)

So if you go into your local "factors" you should be able to buy in quantity.

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DAVE M
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Ok so a bit late but...

You can get security netting for M/cycles and back packs that is very difficult to cut. It's intended to be placed like a hair net over the luggage etc and then a padlock os looped through to secure it. That might work.

Other than that, bits of studding from B&Q with steel straps forming a sort of sandwich. You can always drill the studding and thread a padlock through, but you'd end up spending more than you'd pay a body.