Need Feedback on Film Making membership site

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thefilmschoolonline
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Dave R Smith
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Lots of promises but no actual substance or articles in this 'free period'.
For free look it requires registration, so it is presently only a tool to harvest emails.
Using this website to provide inbound links with no proven benefit is probably against this forums rules. I'll let an administrator decide.
'Almost None Of The Fees ' and '$9.95 a month.' are mutually exclusive in my book.

I cannot trace any evidence of who the legal entity is. name, address, telephone number.
It's just a domain name. No legal entity = no responsibility.

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I'm not impressed either, let's see what happens.

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I think the vast majority of people here work in video rather than film so I'm not sure how much interest this will generate. I was surprised to see the 2006 copyright date too - I got the impression this was something new...?

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Dave R Smith wrote:
I cannot trace any evidence of who the legal entity is. name, address, telephone number.
It's just a domain name. No legal entity = no responsibility.

It all comes up in allwhois.com ;)

Dave Farrants Fox Video Editing

Dave R Smith
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Thank-you Dave - though doesn't seem to work for the linked domain.
Though my point was it wasn't 'self declared' on the website, which I would expect for a company with integrity. No legal entity means no contract can be established never mind honoured.
Also, personally, if I can't knock on someones door I don't do business with them.

thefilmschoolonline
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Hi.
Thank you for your feedback but I think there's a bit of misunderstanding. You have to sign up to get a free trial, which is the same method used by the likes of lovefilm. The email addresses aren't used afterwards. If I was going down that road, I'd offer an incentive.
Also, for a free trial and then only $10, the risk is extremely low so I didn't see contact details as a major issue in that instance.
I said ALMOST none of the fees. It's $9.95 compared to thousands of dollars for films school which I was comparing it to.
Am also looking for genuine feedback. If I was going down the link route, I'd just post with the link in my sig file.
If anyone else can give me some BALANCED feedback it would be appreciated.

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Not exactly a knock-down, grab-me site and, as such, I can't see many people even considering signing up at this stage.

In addition, of course, the general expectation to get everything free on the net kind of works against any site, even one that has what this one lacks - wonderful content.

Perhaps Jackson might care to tell us how he thinks his site is going to get anyone to sign up.

Bob C

thefilmschoolonline
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It is new...just from a template, so will need to change that.

thefilmschoolonline
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"Perhaps Jackson would care to..."

This site is not supposed to challenge or threaten. I just came in here in what I hoped would be a friendly and intelligent forum.

Guys, I don't mind you not liking the site, I wanted honesty, but was hoping for constructive critiscism. Never mind.

foxvideo
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It takes a little time to gain trust here - We don't know you from Adam, you've not contributed anything to the forum in the past, your site is priced in $'s but you're based in Manchester UK, we can only judge the site contents by 'registering' for a month .....it goes on. You've hit other forums as a new user asking the same question, and DVXUser gave you the same sort of reception you got here - figure it out yourself.

The site looks to be based around signing up as many people as possible for a small fee, perhaps hoping they'll forget to cancel for a while.....

It also offers 50% 'Level 1' commission to anyone signing up new users......Never a good sign!

Deleting the link in your original post both here and on DVXUser, and posting with the comment 'never mind' just because you didn't like any of the answers is a bit like a school kid running home with his ball because he didn't like playing the game.

Earn some trust, show us your credentials, give us something to actually look at, then come back and try again.

Dave Farrants Fox Video Editing

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foxvideo, if the comments were saying...the content is poor, I don't like the home page etc. then I would have accepted that no problem. But when you get comments which aren't even really about the site, then no it isn't like a school kid tunning away, it's accepting that this is not a place for constructive criticism and I assume that you're intelligent enough to realise the difference. As someone who apears to have their own business, I think you wouldn't waste your time encouraging non-productive comments also. I can figure it out alright as I've posted in forums before and know full well you get a number of people, I'm not saying everyone, who enjoy putting others down.

The irony is that you are the only person who has made some valid points for me to take on board. The free trial and 50% commission are what is recommended in the world of internet marketing. In that field, it's understood but still quite new to people in other niches. As I said, if it was lovefilm, noone would think anything about it and they apply both of those methods. They're perfectly valid.

I do understand about you not knowing me from Adam etc. in terms of signing up. It was just feedback I was looking for as was advised to me but I can take use your points in terms of promotion so I do appreciate those comments.

Thanks anyway.

foxvideo
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IMO Lovefilm (your example) is operated as a commercial business - the site owners are not lovers of film they just saw a gap in the market and filled it - their business model of offering a free trial then continuing it as a chargeable service unless you cancel, has cost them my business, I was given a present of 6 months subscription which they carried on and charged me for after the 6 months without asking me if I wished to continue - When I realised I cancelled.

Your film making membership site should IMO follow more along the lines of shootingpeople.org, a resource for the love of the subject not the financial reward - start as a totally free service with valuable content of use to members then, when subscriber numbers are at a high enough level and you have established it as a credible resource, consider offering a premium service for a fee or a free service without premium content.

As a pure money making business opportunity, I think you're onto a loss leader and you'd be given the iconic phrase - "I'm out".

Dave Farrants Fox Video Editing

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Cant see a link so cant comment so I suppose this thread is dead!

DAVE M
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filmschool - i can't see the link as you seem to have removed it but googling comes up with another organisationwith almost exactly the same name in the States.

I found yours by a bit more google action.

You're asking for money at $9.95 per month.

I assume that you're aware that under uk regulations you have to have a registered uk postal contact address?

Dave R Smith
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thefilmschoolonline wrote:
foxvideo, ...
The irony is that you are the only person who has made some valid points for me to take on board.

So my point is not valid?
'I cannot trace any evidence of who the legal entity is. name, address, telephone number.
It's just a domain name. No legal entity = no responsibility.'
If you are sincere, modify the website to state who and where you are. Are you a sole trader, ltd company (no.) etc etc.
Saying my comment is not constructive implies you do not wish potential subscribers and subscribers to know who and where you are and who they should contact if they do not receive the service they have paid for.

I have other constructive suggestions, but I don't wish to waste my time if my feedback is to be ignored and/or the site is administered without integrity.

thefilmschoolonline
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No. Your point is a valid one Dave and I do take it on board.

thefilmschoolonline
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I live in the UK so yes, I have an address :)
The contact that you see via whois will be the domain/web hosting account.

thefilmschoolonline
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foxvideo, thanks again for your valuable feedback. I'm going to take a look at the example site you mentioned. I probably did jump in a bit too soon by creating a membership site.

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Not worked it out yet but it looks like another 'drive by download' of some sort.

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