PAL - NTSC Problem

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H and M Video
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In the past I have transferred lots of DVD's to NTSC but usually these were 4:3 standard. I have two 16:9 DVD's to convert to the NTSC standard and I am using Procoder Express to convert the AVI files to NTSC. My problem is that when I convert with a 16:9 aspect it creates a file with a size of 856 x 480 which Encore 1.5 refuses to load stating that it should be 720x480 etc. If I change the aspect ratio in Procoder to 4:3 Encore accepts the converted file but the finished DVD is cropped on the TV screen which is no good. Unfortunately Encore does not have a facility like Premiere CS3 where I can 'Interpret Footage' to let the programme know that it is 16:9.

There does not seem to be other settings in Procoder that I can use and also in Encore 1.5. If I use Encore CS3 with the 856x480 files it works OK however I have other problems with Encore CS3 which forced me to revert to 1.5. On of these problems is that Menus refuse to move on even when the loop facility and also the Hold Forever is unchecked.

This may read a bit convoluted but it is the best way I can explain it (I don't swear) so any takers for the answers?

BTW I have intended to reformat my C: HD and reload Encore CS3 but I can't do this at the moment due to the work on the HD so I have to use Encore 1.5.

Harry

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As far as I'm aware, NTSC is always 720x480 (in the same way that 'PAL' is always 720c576), but the footage should carry a software flag to say whether it's 4x3 or 16x9. You shouldn't need to create a 'square-pixel' version.

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H and M Video
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That's the way I understood things, Alan. Could it be something to do with the footage which is a mix of Z1E, SD(720x576), EX3(1440x1080 down converted) and a Panasonic, AVCHD (1920x1080)? BTW it is a dog breakfast but the PAL DVD looks excellent.

Harry

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Alan Roberts
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I'll bet the dog enjoyed it too :)

No, that shouldn't make any difference, what matters is that the project resolution is 720x480 (and 59.94 Hz interlaced, or 29.97 Hz psf), and that you render anything that isn't so that it is, if you see what I mean.

Procoder should accept it, and you should be able to set the aspect ratio flag in Procoder. I've done it this way and it worked for me.

Good luck.

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Hi Alan

The project is originally PAL standard created in Premiere CS3 and exported to an AVI file. I always import the AVI files into Encore and let that encode to DVD. For NTSC I use Procoder to convert to NTSC import to a new Encore project and so on. The problem seems to be when encoding to NTSC the settings are either aspect ratio of 4:3 or 16:9. Going the 4:3 route gives a picture which looks cropped on its 4 sides in the middle of the TV screen. The 16:9 setting gives the 856x480 and Encore 1.5 rejects this.

Have tried CS3 again and it accepts the 856x480 file so hope this does not play up again.

Harry

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Not sure why it should go that way, but if it works ...

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Alan, just finished burning the first DVD and it worked OK on my TV. Now ready to burn Part 2 of the show.

Harry

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Hi Harry,

I use Encore CS3 and have never managed to make a menu move on by reaching a time out. I have raised it on the Adobe forums and got nowhere. Has it ever worked for you?

Glyn

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Harry, does this mean the problem's gone away?

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Alan Roberts wrote:
Harry, does this mean the problem's gone away?

Hi Alan

Don't think you can book a holiday yet as we will have more problems to be solved so stay put.:D :D

The 1st DVD (75 Mins) burned and played OK the 2nd half of the show (78 Mins) DVD No. 2 burned OK but playback was not too good. The problem (another one) was that between scenes cuts the video shows an artefact similar to a black frame and is annoying. The 1st DVD doesn't show this at all. Could be the conversion of PAL to NTSC getting rid of some info?

Glyn, my 1st DVD above authored in CS3 plays back the Menus OK while the 2nd DVD also authored in CS3 and dealt with in the same way as the 1st one does not move between each Menu. The "Hold Forever" and "Loop" options are unchecked. This can be solved by importing the Menu Background frame into Premiere and creating a movie of say 15" with it. In Encore CS3 link the menu with the Movie above and check the "Animate Buttons" in the Motion section when a Menu is selected. I did not do that for the above DVD's (partly laziness). Now having to rework so other work left till tomorrow.

Harry

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Holiday's already booked and paid for :)

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Alan Roberts wrote:
Holiday's already booked and paid for :)

Don't go too far:D :D

Harry

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New York for a week over Thanksgiving. I'll be back early in December.

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My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.