[resolved] The computer in Ray's office

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RayL
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I've been specifically asked by Sleepytom to give details of the computer that I use for this forum, so here goes. There are currently five operational computers in my setup. Four are in the control room of the studio upstairs and one in the office. The office computer is the only computer with a permanent connection to the internet. It is safer that way. Apart from the internet, it handles letters, databases, technical drawing and other office functions. I moved to the IBM PC system in 1992 and continue to use a number of 'legacy' programs from the 1990s because I have very large amounts of back correspondence, customer databases and drawings that run on these programs that I still need and refer to. The programs (Approach, Visio, Word 2, Labels Unlimited, the old Compuserve contact database etc) run at lightning speed even on a 900Mhz Athlon. They do all I need. The curse of Microsoft operating systems (one of the MANY curses of Microsoft operating systems!) is that newer versions of Windows won't run legacy software, or won't install it, or throw up bugs. For this reason, this office computer runs the best of Microsoft's pre-NT operating systems, Windows 98 Second Edition. It has done since 1998. Same installation, treated with care. Firefox 1.0 runs on 98SE very happily. and has done so for a large number of years, If this has been a bit long-winded it is simply to forestall the cries that would otherwise come up to tell me to stop using this office computer. That would mean losing the use of vital correspondence, databases and all the rest and since I still need it, that's not an option. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The old DV Doctor forum (and all the other forums that I use on a regular basis) are happy to work on Win98SE and Firefox 1.0. May I hope that DV Forums will be similarly flexible? Ray

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Re: The computer in Ray's office

Once again, the message that I just sent has lost all of it's line and paragraph breaks and has just become a solid mass of text. This was not happening when I sent messages, say, last week, so something has changed (for the worse).
Ray

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Re: The computer in Ray's office
Hi Ray

I'm sure that you can understand the difficulty in your request. I do not have access to any machines running windows 98 and firefox 1 so i really cannot troubleshoot your issues. Can I suggest that you might find the plain text editor to be better than the default wysiwyg editor? You can switch to the plain text editor using the link immediately below any edit box.
 
The changes i've made to the editing system have only had a negative effect on your antiquated machine, for everybody else they constitute a significant improvement. Making the wysiwyg editor work on your machine is going to be impossible, and changing to a different editor site wide because it doesn't work on one users computer is not an efficient use of Martin's or my time.
 
I'm sorry that it doesn't work on your machine, but i'm not going to spend any more time thinking about this. There are plenty of other issues which affect everyone who uses the site, so I will dedicate the time I spend on things here to issues which affect the majority of users.
 
I hope you can understand my position on this.
 

Thanks
Tom

 

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RayL
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Re: The computer in Ray's office

Tom,

Re: your suggestion , please define 'edit box' . At present, under each of my messages are three buttons that I can click, 'Edit', 'Reply ', and 'Quote'. Should I be seeing a further button that says 'Switch to plain text' or something similar? Or does 'any edit box' imply that there are various 'edit boxes' scattered around and if so where are they?

If I have to use plain text then so be it though it does seem odd, and a retrograde step, that this version of the DV forum will offer less, and be less flexible,than the old one

Ray

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You can contact me at http://tombassford.org
People interested in live production might like to check out http://atemuser.com 

RayL
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Re: The computer in Ray's office

Well, one mystery is solved.

The reason that I don't see 'Switch to Plain-text editor' is because it isn't there on my screen and hasn't been there since this site re-appeared. The line of formatting commands that are shown on your pic (which I had in the editor for the old DV Doctor and which I have in other internet forums) are not there either.

I am obviously working in a plain-text setup (but with no way to switch back to the standard setup). Where should 'Switch to standard editor' be found?

Is there something about the way the site is designed that puts a user with an older computer system into plain text editor automatically and with no way out?

Tom, I see that the line and para breaks have returned to my earlier message. If that is something that you achieved, thank you.

Ray

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Re: The computer in Ray's office

The fact that my new message has retained its line and para breaks means something has been changed.

Ray

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Hi Ray
 
So actually there isn't a problem with your computer. The site falls back to plain text editing and works fine for you.
 
I would question the wisdom of relying on 98se to run your business, at some point that computer will die and you'll likely lose everything. I would recommend getting a new machine running windows 7, you will be able to transfer your existing data from lotus et al into more modern software. I would very much recommend the free and opensource openoffice - this can import your lotus databases and your old visio files. Your compuserve contacts will be able to be imported via something too. Labels Unlimited i'm not familiar with but i guess its a label making app?
 
Windows 7 compatibility mode actually works quite well and so you may well find you can actually run all your old software under 7 with a bit of tweaking.
 
I'm not telling you that you have to buy a new computer, just pointing out that you most likely could buy a new machine and still use your older software on it, and that by doing so you would future proof yourself for the next 10 years or so. 98 really isn't going to be supported by many things and you will face a lot of trouble trying to use such an old version of firefox on many websites.
 
If you have any further issues with this site please let me know, try and be as specific as possible, and please don't keep going on about how the old site used to work, or how other websites work, this is not the old website, nor is it some other forum, the decision has been made (rightly or wrongly) to use Drupal and that is what we will be doing for the forseeable future.
 
thanks
Tom

You can contact me at http://tombassford.org
People interested in live production might like to check out http://atemuser.com