[resolved]Do we want the side bar?

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sleepytom1
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So one thing i'm considering doing is removing the sidebar (boxes down the left hand side of the page) I will keep them on the front page of the site but on pages with forum posts they take up a lot of room and don't provide much functionality.

 

This would give us a much more forumy looking forum and we could put the font size up a bit too which still seems to be an issue for some people?

 

Has anyone got any objections to doing this? 

sleepytom
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Re: Do we want the side bar?
so new thread will now have no side bar - we can try out the functionality a bit.
 
I'm going out for a few hours in the pissing rain so please notice that this is NOT broken and the side bar dissapearing is intended! We can bulk update all of the forum threads to match later on if it works out.

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Ron Spicer
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Re: Do we want the side bar?
If it'll be something like it was previously, SL, then, don't know about others but,  I would much prefer it!
 
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Re: Do we want the side bar?
This looks OK to me...
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I would vote for: no sidebar, and hence wider space given to actual posts.  
 
I like the "Today's Posts" link in the bar across the top, too.

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Yes I agree we only really need the new posts side bar on the front page leaving more room here for posts.
Rob James
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I don't mind one way or t'other about the sidebar but I would like a slightly larger point size or a blacker font. This one seems spidery compared with other forums and the old DV Doctor which was probably the most legible forum I know.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

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Re: Do we want the side bar?
For me;  Sidebar - not worried either way.
 
A Larger, and preferably  Bold,  Font would be appreciated.

Les

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Re: Do we want the side bar?
Making the font any bigger will break the layout! It is now the same font as was used on the old forum. If you still cannot read it then use Ctrl and + to zoom the page up in your browser.

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Re: Do we want the side bar?
Wider is better.
Wider still would be better still.
 
The font needs to be bigger and blacker.
 
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Rob James
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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?
Tom, I'll believe the font is now the same size but it is much fainter. Grey rather than black, if you will. I don't believe it is the same weight.
 
Wider would be nice. Scalable according to window size would be better still. I know some people are still using relatively lo-res screens on their office boxes but it does look very narrow on a 1920.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

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Fergie wrote:
 
The font needs to be bigger and blacker.
 
Cheers.
The font is not going to get bigger or blacker, i've had enough of people moaning about this now. Use your browser controls if you still cannot read it.  The font IS BIGGER than it was on the old site..
 
 
I might make a scalable full width version and let people choose which to have - fluid width is not nice from a design point of view and makes it much harder to make sure the site looks nice. However it seems that nobody actually cares if the site looks nice or not. Everyone just wants to say "it's not the same as it was" which is irrelevant, it's not going to look the same and the consistent requests which fly in the face of both fact and reason are starting to get annoying.
 
I've spent a very large amount of time on this site in the past few days - commercially we are talking about £1000+ worth of Drupal admin time (this is just my time, nevermind the weeks that Martin has spent importing the content from the old site.)  I believe i have taken the site from a state where it was suffering from some serious usability issues to it's current state where it is eminently usable, and in someways has better functionality than the old forums had. When people say something needs to be done it comes across as very demanding.
 
Some things do need doing (I need to pay my rent). Other things may be nice to have (i'd like a beer) if people could remember this and make sure what they say is a request not a demand then it will make me feel better about the amount of time i've put into making all this work.
 
 

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Rob James
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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?
Tom, If this is now in Drupal then I understand - to a point. I administer a website based on Drupal and it takes a LOT of time and I'm not the clever one who does the Theme.
 
Now I look at it, it's interesting that the text in this editor is much more legible than the resulting post. (Same size but blacker and less pixellated.) No idea why of course but maybe it might give you a clue.
 
Lest you be under any illusions, your efforts are very much appreciated!

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The text in the editor is neither the same size nor is it blacker - this is what i'm finding confusing people are reporting bugs which cannot exist (or which certainly make less than zero sense)
 
Technically speaking the text in the posts is 1.1em  #111111 - ie as close to black as you can get without being black! The text in the editor is 12px #222222 ie one shade lighter than the text in the posts!
 
The website is perfectly readable, people who think it is too small should use their browser zoom to make it bigger (this takes almost no effort and can be done on the fly). If you still can't read it then get some glasses!
 
It would be helpful if people who are having issues with the font / text size could tell me which platform / browser they are using - and if they are running windows do they have Aero / Clear Type enabled or not?
 
I have just found (and hopefully fixed) an anomaly with the font, caused by the terrible theme that this site is based on. I'd like to make a fully custom theme with a nicer design but frankly cannot justify spending the time on it for an unpaid job. As far as i'm concerned what we have now is good enough. If anyone disagrees then by all means commission someone to design a new theme, but be prepared to pay a lot of money for it, creating theme's for Drupal is hard work, and to make a good looking custom one for this site will cost a few grand. (which would be a waste of money IMHO when the one we have is OK and perfectly usable)
 

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RayL
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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?

Tom

Your efforts ARE appreciated.

However, if you set up, as you did, a specific forum for 'DV Forum Issues' then it is only reasonable to allow people to comment on issues.

You own entry into moulding this site was brought about by frustration at the problems that you saw.

Most of the guys here are video editors and have a sharp eye for what is 'right' and 'wrong' in visual terms.

If they want to continue to comment , they should be allowed to.

Ray

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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?
I'm not commenting on 'right' or 'wrong', just on what is easy and comfortable to use. On my Windows XP laptop, 1920x1200 17" screen, legibility isn't a problem at normal (100%) zoom in Firefox. The text in the edit box is smaller than in the postings, but just as legible. My only problem at present is in the pale blue text such as in the forum definitions on the home page. Light blue on white is a low-contrast situation, which is always going to be harder to read.

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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?
Alan Roberts wrote:
 My only problem at present is in the pale blue text such as in the forum definitions on the home page. Light blue on white is a low-contrast situation, which is always going to be harder to read.
 
Thank you Alan. That's especially true for those who have green and blue colour vision problems.
 
 
Cheers.
 

               
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Re: [resolved]Do we want the side bar?
I've knocked up the contrast on the forum descriptions text - hopefully it's an improvement? It is still grey not black, this is a design feature as this text isn't read by most regular users who know where they are going to post from the titles. If we make all the text ultra high contrast and bold then we lose the ability to differentiate between different levels of importance.
 
Hopefully people can read it well enough now. I'm kind of happy with how it all looks at the moment, it's better than it was yesterday when it went through a bit of a special needs period with overly large text spoiling the look!
 
@RayL - people can say what they like, i've not told anyone they cannot comment. I do reserve the right to get annoyed by peoples comments though! Ultimately opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one, and they all stink. smiley
 
 
 

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