Solid state style portables

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jimmy the jock
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I only just recently discovered these new walkman style portable audio recorders which can record onto flash ram cards in full WAV quality. With no moving parts this seems IDEAL. Unfortunately the only company I can find that sells one is Marantz and I know from LOTS of experience that although they make beautiful equipment their reliability is AWFUL really really AWFUL.

So if anyone spots one of these machines made by company other than Marantz then please post a link or give a name.

Anyone already using one of these?

Chris Lovell
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Jimmy

We dragged an early Marantz Flash-Card recorder (Model MD680 I think) around the Himalayas or a month, together with a couple of MD650 MiniDisc recorders. They were 100% reliable and worked very well. Maybe their pro-level gear is more reliable than consumer or maybe we were just lucky!

Have a look here for something from Sonifex

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jimmy the jock
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Bought a CDR 615 failed went back failed went back failed.
They replaced it with a lesser CDR 640 and I found out that the 615 had design faults!
(at this time I bought a PMD601 which failed in 3 weeks and was replaced)
The CDR 640 lasted 5 months and failed with cutting out one channel.
During 2002 it went back and forth 5 times (6 weeks each time) and each time returned with the same fault.
(During this time I bought another 615 2nd hand which failed- cutting out on one channel)
While the 640 was going back and forth I sent the pmd601 for a PAID FOR repair because it was cutting out on one channel...£86 to replace a £9 pre amp)
Finally they agreed to replace the 640 in Jan 2003 and refunded me my £86 after the pre amp on the pmd601 failed and I told them I had no more faith in their service department. (and after threatening legal action) I waited for a replacement 640 and waited and waited and in August 2003 it finally died completely and I asked for a loan unit while they were "waiting for a replacement". They sent the (much) lesser cdr630 which...............

are you keeping up?

which........failed on one channel!!!!

Because they had given me this loan machine, and before I noticed the failure, I allowed them "another chance" at repairing the cdr640.

They sent it back to me and the carriage company which had picked it up had taken it out of its protective and ORIGINAL box with the polystyrene ends which suspend the unit, and placed it into a ordinary cardboard box wrapped in brown paper!!!! It was all smashed up. I wrote to them and asked why all these suspicious things had happened.....no reasonable answer....they then tried to make out that the parcel company had refused their claim because I had "signed to say I received the parcel in good condition" and offered once again to repair the machine.

I told them I was taking legal action against them and they refused to answer me. I dont know what to do with all these pieces of JUNK lying around me!!

I actiually thought that by buying Pro and paying THOUSANDS for gear that would buy me reliability, but all my consumer stuff lasts 7-10 years and longer and NOTHING from Marantz lasted any longer than 5 months at any one time, apart from the (replacement)pmd601 which lasted 2 years, but then it was only used FIVE times in those 2 years!!!!

So thats 4 machines spanning 3 generations of cd recorder all failed with the same faults and 2 portable dcc`s failing and then repairs failing afterwards.

So the equipment is useless and the service department is even worse.

They LOOK nice thats about all.....oh and when they DO work the sound is superb but its not been a happy event for me and I have NEVER had trouble like this, on such a scale, from any other company in almost 30 years!

It might be interesting if someone on this board were to ask Marantz to respond to this post?

I would LOVE to buy that wee potable as well....isnt it sad that to do so I would be a fool?

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Thanks for the link I will check it out!

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John Willett
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For a CD Recorder, I would have gone for the HHB unit.

For a small portable, the Nagra Ares-P is probably the best around.

There are others around, though.

I’ll keep thinking and will post again if I come up with anything.

John

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elbow
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How about the new AAton John? Looks very sexy. http://www.aaton.com/products/sound/cantar/index.php

I've not used one but their kit is generally very well made and good for field use. Their cameras are superb.

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John Willett
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The Aaton is reputedly extremely good but you need a mortgage to afford it (well over £10,000 is my understanding).

However...

I have discovered that Fostex will be bringing gout a new recorder in February 2004.

Called the FR-2 it is a 2-channel device and can record up to 24-bits / 192kHz.

My undersatnding is that it is likely to sell for around the £2,000 mark (but don't hold me to this) - the specs are on the above link.

This looks so good I am considering one for myself.

John

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elbow
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I think its more like £8K and I too can't really justify the expense but it really does look like the last word in field recorders, mixers and limiters.

A little off topic but you don't know a girl called Harriette Ashcroft do you John? I knew a John Willet in London about ten or fifteen years ago just wondering if it was you. If so I don't think I've seen you since bumping into you in a hotel in Sydney of all places. Can it be you? Probably not.

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John Willett at Home
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quote:Originally posted by elbow:
I think its more like £8K and I too can't really justify the expense but it really does look like the last word in field recorders, mixers and limiters.

My estimate of around £2,000 came after talking to an overseas Fostex main agent. The HHB, Deva and the like 4-channel units are around the £4-8,000 mark - the Fostex FR-2 is 2-channel only. At around £2k it would be an ideal replacement for DAT and Fostex should clean up. If it's too much more than this, then people would go straight to the 4-channel units - we'll just have to wait until they launch it in February to find out.

quote:Originally posted by elbow:
A little off topic but you don't know a girl called Harriette Ashcroft do you John? I knew a John Willet in London about ten or fifteen years ago just wondering if it was you. If so I don't think I've seen you since bumping into you in a hotel in Sydney of all places. Can it be you? Probably not.

Unfortunately not I've never been to Sydney (yet)

John

John Willett
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I have Just spoken to SCV London who distribute Fostex in the UK.

I managed to get an approximate price for the FR-2 when it is released early next year.

It is a LOT cheaper than I thought!

The estimated cost is £1,000 to £1,200

At this price I will almost certainly get one for myself.

John

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Z Cheema
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I Purchased a cheap and chearfull MP3 recoder for vioce work. Also purshed a Mic to Line level unit from Archos
http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shopping/pages/buymt500.html

Has a built in Mic (bit naff) also has Line in, works better, can also set the sample rates.

Did notice this week that a 40min recording, goes out of syc with an Dv video recording, by a noticbel echo amount. My old MD never did that.