Sony HDV recorder/deck HVR-M10E

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PaulD
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Hi
Is the deck NTSC/PAL switchable? From the press-release info from Sony UK is appears not.

Or rather for HDV, does it need to be - can both 50i and 60i be captured from either of the PAL or NTSC versions (which would only be PAL or NTSC for DV/DVCAM mode)? So those of us with an existing DVCAM deck wouldn't need both HDV decks for both UK and USA production.

Here are some pictures of the Japanese version - it seems its miniDV tape size only:


Here's a link to a larger version of the EU version front panel (this forum's software doesn't allow links with parentheses in the link, so copy it into your browser address line):

code: www.altei.cz/pic/57_HVR-M10E(image-front)%20LoRes.jpg

Alan Roberts
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I'm pretty sure it sorts it out for itself. The DV and HDV tapes both flag the standard in the data, and it's childs play to get it ruight from the analogue inputs. I haven't yet seen a spec sheet, so can't confirm it, though.

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PaulD
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Hi
I hope that's the case. It will still be essential to have a DVCAM deck to record videos over one hour duration to big DV/DVCAM-format tapes, until Sony come up with an affordable big-format HDV deck.
Hopefully one HDV deck will cope with all capture requirements. (With blu-ray DVD to cope with HDV archiving for longer than an hour).

Alan Roberts
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I'll poke a part of Sony that I deal with and report back anything I find.

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Gavin Gration
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By the looks of this HDV on Blu-ray DISC seems unlikely.

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"HDV and HDV logo will be licensed only to the tape drive products which can record and play video cassette compliant to the HDV Format (HDV Tapes). The HDV trademarks may not be used on any products without a such tape drive."

Source http://www.hdv-info.org/
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There's more:-

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"HDV Format" or "HDV," and the NOTE may not be represented in larger scale than the company's product name.
HDV logo may not be used in this manner."

Source http://www.hdv-info.org/
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Do you see a huge Sony logo on the deck pictured above maybe the Sony one is underneath?

Maybe the big 4 have changed their minds on some of the stuff they agreed.

I thought the DVD forum site was "a bit naff" but this one is hopeless.

Gavin

Alan Roberts
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Gavin, none of that answers the question. Clearly, the M10 will play HDV, and probably record it as well. After all, that's what it's for. The question surely is about whether it'll record/play DVCAM in SD PAL/NTSC as well.

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Gavin Gration
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Ooops - sorry it didn't read too well - PaulD mentioned Blu-ray DVD for archiving & I went off on a tangent.

I guess you will be able to archive anything to Blu-ray as "data" but the quotes I pasted state that products displaying HDV trademarks must be able to play and record via cassette tape.

If that is the case then HDV will not be "playable" from Blu-ray discs. Unless the manufacturers bend their own rules - hence the dig about the HDV logo being bigger than Sony's on the M10.

From the information currently available we think the M10 deck supports HDV, DVCAM & DV format recording & playback. CVPs site states this on the product page.

We do not know if it will be switchable (NTSC/PAL) or whether supports full sized tapes.

The Japanese photos look like it might not take big tapes. Perhaps the "M" in M10 means mini?

Given what you (Alan) and others have already said about HDV being a domestic/semi-pro HD format. It's likely that the manufacturers will cleverly limit HDV's appeal.

After all a £2,000 deck that replaces the DSR25 (+ half a DSR45) & offered HDV sounds too good to be true.....doesn't it?

Hope this clears up the mess I made.

Gavin

paultv
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Isn't it a bit odd that a studio deck only takes 1 hour small cassettes? what about the 3 hour HD movie I'm shooting?

oh dear