Sony HVR-Z1

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Nintembo
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Hi,

I just have a few questions about the said camera, if anybody owns one and is able to respond - thanks in advance.

Is size an issue? Curently I shoot on an XL1s. I am looking to upgrade to HDV. I was wondering whether the small "handheld" size of the Z1 is an issue for anybody? I ask because I do quite a bit of hand held work and I like to rest the cam on my shoulder.

In regards to editing - how easy is it? I have heard it is fine to edit with - so long as you have the equipment. Is this true?

I have heard the camera is not suitable for film work as it produces images which are not "film like" (Obtained this info from an in depth review on this forum) Is this true?

Thanks in advance,

Nin!

RayL
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You'll find some comments I made about handling the FX1/Z1 here: http://www.dvdoctor.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000002;p=3#000118

Ray Liffen

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Originally posted by Nintembo:
Is size an issue? Curently I shoot on an XL1s. I was wondering whether the small "handheld" size of the Z1 is an issue for anybody? I ask because I do quite a bit of hand held work and I like to rest the cam on my shoulder.

I first saw the FX1 at IBC, and my first impressions were amazement that something capable of such high technical quality could be going on sale for such a low price - I was very impressed. Then I picked it up - and the bubble burst. I am used to handholding full size shoulder mount cameras for extended periods, and can only say that I found a much shorter period of handholding the FX1 more difficult physically, due to it's styling.

As I posted in reply to Rays comments, in the topic he linked to:
"In a way, all the talk of shoulder braces etc only reinforces my point. So many cameras, of similar and greater weight, from the early JVC S-VHS models, through the Canon XL series, and all shoulder style cameras, didn't need extra devices for support - IMO, they were styled correctly from the start. Why should it be necessary to spend extra money to put right a design feature that should have been designed better in the first place? Equally, the physical handling is only one side of my objections to the styling. It may not have been relevant to your recent shoot, but an FX1 with shoulder brace puts the lens a long way in front of you, and in a confined space that could more than offset the benefits of a wide angle lens in coverage terms. I still firmly believe the best place for the bulk of the camera is by the side of the head - there it's most out of the way, and the lens is brought physically backwards."

So - there's two opinions. Nin, can I suggest you go to a shop and try out the handling of one for yourself, comparing it to the Canon you're used to? And post back here to let us know what YOU think? And if you can afford to wait a month or two, I'd wait and see what NAB may bring. There are rumours that other HDV cameras may make a debut there, which may be better suited to hand holding.

Nintembo
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Nin, can I suggest you go to a shop and try out the handling of one for yourself, comparing it to the Canon you're used to? And post back here to let us know what YOU think?

Hi,

I have booked a session at my local retailer for March 3rd - I shall post my findings here.

Something else I shall be checking - which is another main "pre" prob, is the position of the viewfinder - being at the rear of the body (again I am use to a Canon on my shoulder)

Out of interest, is ther any news on Canon developing HDV in their XL range?

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Canon are widely believed to be working on HDV. JVC will unveil at NAB, others will follow soon.

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infocus
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Something else I shall be checking ... is the position of the viewfinder - being at the rear of the body (again I am use to a Canon on my shoulder)

Apologies to everybody who has already heard my views on this, but.... Nin, when I first saw the camera at IBC, and posted on return, I said I was EXTREMELY impressed with what I'd seen technically, and still feel that way. Equally I was EXTREMELY unimpressed with the handheld ergonomics of the camera, and the points you raise are exactly what I disliked.

It seems to me Sony have just been scaling up designs from much smaller cameras, and a styling that works well for a camera the size of a PD100, does not when the size/weight increases to that of the FX1, IMO. I feel it would have been far better if the eyepiece v/f was where the screen is, with the right side hand grip much further forward. Then the bulk of it's weight could rest on the shoulder and the lens moves much further back - so easier to use in confined spaces.

All that said, if I was buying a camera in this price range tomorrow, it would be the FX1 for the HDV capability. But I'd prefer to wait and see. We await your opinions with interest!

infocus
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Originally posted by Nintembo:
I have booked a session at my local retailer for March 3rd - I shall post my findings here.

Did you get to see it, Nin? What were your thoughts?